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Slate Roof Installation Mistakes

Slate Roof Installation Mistakes
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Posted: 04-05-2010 18:17
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Here are the top ten mistakes, in no particular order.


Top 10 Mistakes Made When Installing
New Slate Roofs

by Joseph Jenkins


This article is from Traditional Roofing Magazine:

1. Lack of information: The contractors (and homeowners) have not done their homework. The contractor blindly bullies ahead with the job without making any effort whatsoever to do any research. A simple search on the internet can yield a wealth of information about slate roofs, sources of correct tools, materials, supplies and installation techniques.

2. All slate is not the same: You wouldn’t buy a car without looking at different models and checking their track record — and cars only last ten years and are cheaper than slate roofs! A slate roof is an investment in the future of your building. It will reasonably last 150 years if constructed correctly. There are many different types of slate with differing characteristics and longevities. Why buy a foreign slate with no track record? Do the research. [Source list of new roofing slate] [Source list of salvaged roofing slate]

3. The contract documents are deficient: Every detail about the slate roof installation should be included in the contract documents — type, size and origin of the slate; type, length and gauge of the nails; type and installation style of underlayment; type and size of cant strip; headlap; flashing specifications; number of squares to be installed; slate installation style, and many other details. A basic contract (“Sample Slate Roof Installation Proposal”) is posted here.

4. Lack of headlap: This fundamental detail of any successful slate roof installation is hard to overlook, but it is ignored by some roofing contractors. Lack of adequate headlap spells disaster for a slate roof. I have seen new roofs with inadequate headlap (i.e. less than 2”), no headlap at all, and even negative headlap. Do your homework, contractors, or stay away from slate roof jobs. [An illustration of correct headlap and of incorrect headlap. Another example of incorrect headlap. ] Read an article about headlap.

5. Bad flashing work: There are two things that keep water from penetrating a slate roof: the slates and the flashings. Not only must the flashing metal be of adequate type and gauge, but it must be installed correctly. This is not rocket science, but it does require some training and/or experience in order to be done correctly and to be leakproof. [Source of good quality flashing material.]

6. No consultant was used on the job: As a consultant, I am called on after the work has been completed and the roof has failed — this is a mistake. Professional advice should be obtained before the roof is installed and even before the structure is built, if possible. However, not all slate roof installations require a consultant. Homeowners can educate themselves for very little money by simply reading a copy of the Slate Roof Bible, reading past Traditional Roofing articles online at traditionalroofing.com, and asking questions on the message board at slateroofcentral.com.

7. Contractors walking on the slate: This is one of the worst problems with new slate roof installations. Roof slate is not to be walked on — period. It is not a floor that is being installed — it is a roof. The roof must be properly staged so the roofers are working off roof ladders and roof scaffolds. If the contractors are walking all over the slate roof during installation, it’s because they don’t know what the hell they’re doing and the property owner will have many headaches later when the slates start falling off. This is a guarantee. Good slaters knows how to install slate, and they won’t walk on a slate roof unless it’s a last resort in an unusual circumstance. Need roof jacks?

8. Poor sheathing materials: The roof decking must last as long as the slate. A good roof deck should last the life of two slate roofs, or about 200 to 300 years. In any case, a roof decking material under slate must have a known longevity of at least 150 years. Materials that have been tried and proven for this purpose include lumber boards and battens from 3/4” to 1.5” thick rough-sawn, planed or tongue-in-grooved from a variety of species of wood. Plywood, laminated woods and particle boards are sub-standard roof decking materials for slate roofs and should be avoided. Yes, you can install slate on laminated or glued decking materials, but a compromise on longevity is likely to be the result. If a slate roof is to be built to last, the roof deck should be solid boards, not glued sheets of wood.

9. Emphasis on underlayment: This is a red herring. If a slate roof leaks, it’s because it was installed improperly, not because of underlayment or lack of it. Properly installed slate roofs need no underlayment. The main purpose of the underlayment is to keep the water out of the building until the slate and flashings are installed. After that, if you could magically yank the underlayment out from under the slate, it wouldn’t make a bit of difference in the functioning capabilities of the roof. Secondary purposes for underlayment include providing a good surface for chalk lines during installation, providing a minimal layer of insulation, and providing a cushion for when the slates are being slapped down during installation.

Barn slate roofs in the United States — and there were thousands and still are quite a few, mostly a century old or older — were installed without any underlayment whatsoever. This is true for some institutional buildings as well. Most of the older homes in the U.S. were installed with a standard single layer of 30 lb felt under the slate roofs. These homes are so old now that the felt has deteriorated to dust, but the roofs are fine. If the slates and flashings are intact, the roof will not leak, underlayment or no underlayment, even in a sustained driving rain. This is a proven fact, not a theory.

If a contractor or architect is insisting upon a beefed-up underlayment under a new slate roof installation, it means they believe the new roof will leak and that the underlayment will delay the entry of the water into the building. This is flawed logic and reveals a gross misunderstanding of slate roofs. Architects sometimes confuse slate roofs with ceramic tile roofs. Although tile roofs may require a substantial underlayment, slate roofs, properly installed, do not.

Underlayment does, however, provide a margin of waterproofing in the event a slate roof is damaged by wind, tree-fall, or other unusual circumstance. An acceptable slate roof installation today still typically utilizes a single layer of 30 lb. felt underlayment, doubled (half-lapped) when the need for a heavier underlayment is required (such as when a roof must be left exposed for a period of time before the slates are installed).

What about ice-damming? Increase the slate headlap along the eaves to prevent ice-damming, but do not rely on what’s underneath the slate to keep the roof from leaking. If the slate and flashings are installed correctly, the roof will not leak. That is the beauty of a stone roof. Ice Dams on Slate Roofs:?How to Avoid Them

10. Inexperienced roofing contractors: It is an unfortunate fact that many contractors cannot be trusted to give sound and honest advice or information. This issue is exacerbated by property owners who don’t get competing bids before initiating a contract; who don’t educate themselves about the nature of the work prior to hiring a contractor; and who don’t insist upon a detailed, coherent and comprehensive contract document. One major effort that is being made today to try to screen contractors for slate roofing purposes is the Slate Roofing Contractors Association of North America, initiated on March 1, 2005. It lists contractor members at slateroofers.org. Included with the listing is a Contractor Profile which reveals details about the contracting firm that the average consumer would want to know. There is more information about the SRCA here.

Bad slate roof installations are seriously harming the slate roofing industry. One university administrator told me he had slate roofs installed on his dormitories because he wanted “the best roofs money could buy.” Then, after five large slate roofs had been installed on his campus by the same roofing contractor, it was discovered they had been installed with only 1.5” headlap, or none at all. The discovery of this gross deficiency left the administrator stunned, shocked and disgusted. He never wanted to look at another slate roof again. Who can blame him?
 

See also: Avoid These 21 Contractor Errors

For more information: Top 5 Mistakes Made When Installing Slate Starter Courses

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Comments on Slate Roof Installation Mistakes



Wallison 06-18-2012 03:56
I live in the Falmouth Maine area. I recently pucharsed a home with a low sloped roof and it is leaking. I was hoping to get some advice on how to repair the leak myself. Here is the situation: The roof is a low sloped dormer with a shed roof. It only leaks in winter when snow is present and the days are warm and nights are cold. I assume the ice is backing up under the the three tab shingles. I was hoping I could tear the three tabs off and Grace Ice and Water Shield the entire roof deck and use architectural shingles instead of rolled roofing. I really don't like the looks of rolled roofing and the roof is seen often, as it downhill of the road. Please give me your comments on the pros and cons of what I would like to do. ThanksMark
Kalyca 06-17-2012 15:21
Yes, check the local yellow pages.Call the roorefs that specialize in slate roofs.If the job is big enough and the material is in good shape, you might get your roof striped for free.Also try specialty building supply companies that sell antique or restoration material. They are more likely to buy material like this.Be very carefull on a slate roof, it is very slippery, and you can damage the tiles if you are not careful. Try Willard Roofing 1-781-326-2807O'Lyn Roofing 617-232-8153MacDonal Spraugue Roofing 1-800-649-3710are all roorefs who specialize in Slate roofsTry the Boston Yellow Pages and look for building material suppliers. There are a couple that specialize in renovation material that might want to buy it.Also check the Worchestor area phone book
Francois 02-24-2012 13:24
What you call an under layment is in fact a vapour barrier and even an expert such as the one who wrote that article should know and understand that some vapour migration must be allowed under the eaves ; once that vapour comes into contact with the slate it will condensate and unless you have either a vapour barrier or a lining of lime plaster, you can review your estimate for the durability of the roof as either the nails or the battens around the nails will degrade faster. much faster. as for a contractor needing to be told what size nails to use, come on! we are not Just stupid!
john neff 12-07-2011 19:26
I don't agree with your ideas of underlayment. I use Grace ice shield (not select) on the eaves, rake edges, valleys, and problem areas. I use Triflex30 over the rest of the deck.
Grace ice shield seals to the deck and around nails and can be wrapped over the fascia. I also sound the slates, and don't use any thin or poorly split slates. It's better to discard them now than replace them later. If you are asked to bid on a roof spec with chinese slate you better charge alot more. The stuff is very brittle. Diamond blades have to be used to cut it and holes have to be drilled or there is a good chance it will shatter. Hard to compete against the immigrants
Peter Crawley 06-08-2011 06:00
Hi Jimmy,

The neatest slate repair and lead fixing systems I have seen in a long time.

I will be in contact soon,

Regards,

Peter Crawley.

www.crawleyandsons.com
KEVIN HUGHES K.J.HUGHES ROOFING CONTRACTORS 02-06-2011 14:16
WE HAVE THE SAME PROBLEMS IN THE UK, I LIKE TO THINK I RUN A PROFESSIONAL ROOFING COMPANY THAT ADHERES TO ALL THE HEALTH & SAFETY REGULATIONS AND CARRY FULL PUBLIC AND EMPLOYERS LIABILITY INSURANCE YET THERE ARE SO CALLED "ROOFERS" RUNNING ABOUT WITHOUT EVEN VAN INSURANCE AND WE HAVE TO COMPETE PRICE WISE WITH THESE.
Bikercliff 11-12-2010 20:33
As a master slater and Sheetmetal mechanic I say that 90% of the slate roofs that I have had to repair have already a repair in that area the least human intervention on a old slate roof the better
Indiana slate 11-03-2010 10:21
Yep, contractors are giving slate a bad name. A friend of mine here in South Bend built a magnificent, expensive home with new slate, copper gutters, etc. about 13 years ago. When he went to refinance his home recently,(at 3.75%!) they deducted value from his home because he had a slate roof and not an asphalt roof, even though the slate had been put on correctly! This is what roofing contractors have done to the slate roof market.
jimmy hall UK 06-09-2010 02:52
I would like to introduce myself. I am a roofer of 40+ years experience, although more recently I have designed solutions to roofing problems I have endured throughout my working life.
I am writing to inform you of a new repair method for replacing broken slates.
I have recently patent protected in the UK, a solution to permanently, secretly replacing a broken slate. This product is called the Hallhook. I believe existing methods to be expensive, complicated, unsightly and unsafe.
We have received a very positive reaction from all meetings to date and this product is currently available (albeit very recently) from limited builders merchants or direct from our website.
I currently also sell a product (for which I own the patent) called Hallclip which is used to secure lead fixings. This product has sold in excess of 8 million units to date.
All of my information is available online at www.hallclip.co.uk. Both of the products mentioned are covered and the Hallhook page shows a demonstration of the product by myself
I would be delighted to come in and meet to discuss this method of repair, at a time suitable to yourselves. Additionally or alternatively, I would be happy to send samples, a product leaflet etc. for your perusal.
I hope this is of interest and look forward to hearing from you
Kind regards,
Jimmy Hall
Hallclip Ltd.
07798 573200


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